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mark_grosvenor 02-21-2008, 22:27 #1
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Subject: User Custom Message
Hi Everyone,

I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this for me.

I'm looking to replace MSN as the standard IM within our office (approx 25 people). We need something purely internal. I'm a fan of open source and have run up a jabber server.

The sticking point I've come across at the moment is trying to replace the user customisable message that is in MSN. The one I'm referring to is the little one up the top that you can set to what you are listening to or something else. The beauty of the MSN implementation is that it stays the same until you change it, including throughout logoff and logon. We use it as a quick and easy way to show location (city etc) as our staff travel around.

I've found the status messages and mood messages with Psi however I can't find an option to make these persistent between sessions? Is this possible? Can anyone suggest another way to achieve the same functionality?

Thanks,
Mark
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michalj (Moderator) 02-21-2008, 23:06 #2
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Status messages and mood statuses do not work like their counterparts in MSN.

If you use status messages in MSN only for providing your contacts an information about your current location, then you should use different resource names. You can set a resource name in Misc. tab of Account Settings dialog. By default, resource name is a host name of your computer or Psi string (I'm talking about recent Psi versions).
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mark_grosvenor 02-21-2008, 23:17 #3
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Hi Michal,

Thank you for your response.

I think I understand what you are telling me. My initial description might have been a little misleading.

While we do use the messages for location information (eg 'Sydney Mon - Wed') it's not exclusively for that. Another example is when someone is on leave for 2 weeks. And it's not purely related to the location (or machine) someone is logged on from.

I guess you could say is what I am after is a 'customisable message that users can enter. That message is persistent through status changes, including offline and online. Ideally that message would be displayed by default on the roster screen, or less ideally when the contact is moused over'. Is that a clearer description?

Thanks,
Mark
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Kev (Administrator) 02-22-2008, 07:30 #4
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XMPP and Psi both have the groundwork for what you describe, (which is called PEP) and it's already used for user tune, user mood and avatars (all of which persist over sessions as you describe).

We don't have a user motto at the moment, but it could be done in the same framework.
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infiniti (Administrator) 02-22-2008, 12:06 #5
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machekku 02-22-2008, 12:48 #6
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This thread probably translates into a request to implement XEP-0108: User Activity.
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mark_grosvenor 02-24-2008, 20:39 #7
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Thanks for the feedback.

machekku, looking at the standard XEP-0108 it does seem to be exactly what I'm looking for.

Obviously I'd like for this feature to be available but I understand the nature of open source development and I definitely don't have time to contribute (or remember my C++ skills). I guess that means you can take this as a +1 for the implementation of XEP-0108.

Cheers,
Mark
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machekku 02-25-2008, 02:27 #8
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We will think about it :)
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ajagucki 04-26-2008, 00:36 #9
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I am flirting with the idea of implementing XEP-0108 in Psi. I am already familiar with PEP since I added support for it to Openfire last summer for GSoC '07.

I am thinking the UI will very closely resemble the User Mood dialog already in Psi. I will submit a patch to the mailing list, Kev, or another dev here once I am finished.
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spike (Administrator) 04-26-2008, 02:16 #10
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Quote by ajagucki:
I am thinking the UI will very closely resemble the User Mood dialog already in Psi. I will submit a patch to the mailing list, Kev, or another dev here once I am finished.
Well, the current mood dialog is not very handy at all, we need to change the way statuses are set to adapt to the many dimensions of status. I'm not sure how useful xep 108 is actually. I much rather just type 'Doing chores' in my status dialog than to have to go look for the thing in the taxonomy. Maybe we should just try to parse the text set in the status dialog, and see if it matches one of the thousand activities.

On the other hand, I think even such a large taxonomy could work with the new status dialog we have in mind. Maybe I'll mock up the .ui, and we can finally start working on this beast.
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ajagucki 04-27-2008, 22:52 #11
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Before I saw Remko's post I already started work on the patch. You can find it here: http://caustiq.esoteriq.org/code/Psi_User_Activity.patch

I agree with Remko's points. After talking to him over Jabber and looking at the mockups for his new Status Dialog UI idea, I think it would be an excellent direction to go.

He said:

right, so the idea is that you start out with a minimal set of statuses in your status menu:
http://el-tramo.be/files/psi/forums/status-menu-initial.png
If you click 'other', you can create a new one:
http://el-tramo.be/files/psi/forums/status-dialog.png
Your status menu now becomes:
http://el-tramo.be/files/psi/forums/status-menu.png

I like this idea as it seems a bit more elegant to group personal eventing with user status. In most cases you will only ever select a small subset of activities available, so the easy reuse through the status menu is a welcome addition.

He says we could use the code in my patch and swap out its UI dialog with this new advanced status dialog. That would be excellent.
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spike (Administrator) 04-28-2008, 03:52 #12
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Quote by ajagucki:
I agree with Remko's points. After talking to him over Jabber and looking at the mockups for his new Status Dialog UI idea, I think it would be an excellent direction to go.
Well, that was a first iteration. I discussed it over with Kev, and I changed the design quite a bit, so don't mind the screenshots too much. Still, extended presence will be put close to the status presets, but it'll still be easy to quickly set a mood/avatar/...

But the fact remains that any work you do on this should be useful, and most of it will be used as is.
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