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11-16-2005, 12:33 by halr9000
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IceRAM (Moderator) 01-27-2006, 03:08 #31
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Quote by red_alert on 01-14-2006, 06:20:
Quote by Kaji_Ryoji:
Fellas, make a gentoo ebuild, PLEASE!  :rolleyes:
Tell your local gentoo dealer or change to a distro who doesn't need to be told to do so... :P
Since when is the OS responsible for maintaining a program's packages? Just because they all mostly do it doesn't change the fact that it makes much more sense for the packages to be maintained as part of the program.
Psi wouldn't be the first program to supply its own official ebuilds...
You forget you're talking about Linux, as the OS. In Linux, most distributions are different. I don't think you can expect the devs to be profficient in packaging Psi for all distributions. Applications under Linux are delivered as sources and package maintainers are responsible for packaging the application for different distributions.

Assuming the devs do provide a package for a specific distribution. This means that the devs must really know that distribution and provide support for that package (I'm talking about the package, not the application inside it). Therefore, it is better to let the devs think about the contents of the package (the application) and leave the package maintainers think about packaging.

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P.S. I don't see much (GPG caching, maybe? but I don't like the fact that Psi caches it at all, so...) new since 0.9.3-gentoo-r4 w/ 'extras' USE flag, except for Win/Mac users... :(
I'm not sure I understand this. You can't compare Psi 0.10 vanilla with 0.9.3-gentoo-r4 w/ 'extras' USE flag. You are talking about 2 different applications, the last one not being officially supported by the Psi devs.

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Why not disconnect prior to sleep under Linux-based OS?
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spike (Administrator) 01-27-2006, 04:11 #32
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Why not disconnect prior to sleep under Linux-based OS?
Because no one implemented it.
- Remko
Luke-Jr 01-27-2006, 10:08 #33
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Quote by IceRAM:
Quote by Luke-Jr:
Quote by red_alert on 01-14-2006, 06:20:
Quote by Kaji_Ryoji:
Fellas, make a gentoo ebuild, PLEASE!  :rolleyes:
Tell your local gentoo dealer or change to a distro who doesn't need to be told to do so... :P
Since when is the OS responsible for maintaining a program's packages? Just because they all mostly do it doesn't change the fact that it makes much more sense for the packages to be maintained as part of the program.
Psi wouldn't be the first program to supply its own official ebuilds...
You forget you're talking about Linux, as the OS.
Not at all. Linux is a mere kernel.
Quote by IceRAM:
In Linux, most distributions are different. I don't think you can expect the devs to be profficient in packaging Psi for all distributions.
I think it's reasonable to expect whichever member of the Psi development team that uses the OS to be able to package it, and if nobody is, then if a package for such an OS is still desired, find someone who does use it to make a package.
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Applications under Linux are delivered as sources and package maintainers are responsible for packaging the application for different distributions.
I know how the system currently works for the majority of programs. It is flawed. OS developers should focus on the OS. Package maintainers should be a subset of the application maintainers.
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Kev (Administrator) 01-27-2006, 10:13 #34
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Is the beaty of oss not that if you want something done you are free to do it yourself?

I'd also point out that the function dists serve is to package together what is needed into one coherent unit. (I realise that many dists go further than this, providing config systems (most commonly) where none is available)
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spike (Administrator) 01-27-2006, 10:41 #35
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Quote by Luke-Jr:
I think it's reasonable to expect whichever member of the Psi development team that uses the OS to be able to package it, and if nobody is, then if a package for such an OS is still desired, find someone who does use it to make a package.
You expect a lot from developers. I have been a Debian user for 7 years, and if it wasn't for another application i once packaged, i would not know how to create Debian packages. It takes a lot of time to learn how to package things, and time is not something we have too much of.

Also, a good packager has to follow the development of his distribution closely, and modify his package if certain policies change. Following development of a distribution is a very heavy job, which should not be taken lightly, and which we don't have time for.

So sure, it is 'easy' to package something up once. But keeping up to date with package policies is not something we are able to do, so we leave packaging for Linux distros to people who know what they are doing.
- Remko
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halr9000 (Administrator) 01-27-2006, 20:33 #36
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Speaking of all these packages, the download page now has 4 user contributed builds.  Keep 'em coming.  Don't forget, I can host them if you like.
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red_alert 01-28-2006, 05:58 #37
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Fedora does support stable psi releases natively and therefore, no user builds will be needed. The packages are in the Extras repo:

FC4, i386:
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras…
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras…
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras…

FC4, x86_64:
Same URLs, "x86_64" instead of "i386"

FC4, PPC:
Same URLs, "ppc" instead of "i386"

FC4: SRPM (source RPMs):
Same URLs, first "i386" -> "SRPMS", second "i386" -> "src"

But since the Fedora Extras repo is activated in FC4 by default, `yum install psi psi-i18n psi-icons` will work for everyone just perfectly.
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halr9000 (Administrator) 01-28-2006, 11:24 #38
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Thanks I added FC info on the download page.
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red_alert 01-29-2006, 10:25 #39
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Quote by halr9000:
Thanks I added FC info on the download page.

well, please note, that DAG and fedora extras are not providing the same packages. I don't know, why DAG is still providing psi packages even though psi is already in an official repo, though.

and it's a bit misleading, if you're linking to DAG and tell about the yum command, which will result in other packages.

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oh, a closer look showes the difference: DAG provides packages vor fedora core prior version 4 and rhel (redhat enterprise linux). (psi does not exist in the extras repo prior fc4).

I suggest, you add two links to the download page:
1) Fedora Extras (+ the yum cmd) for FC4 (and soon FC5): http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/
2) DAG for RH9, FC1-3 and RHEL3-4: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/
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I'm missing the "save passphrase" feature in 0.10. It's really annoying to type in the passphrase every time starting Psi :(
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spike (Administrator) 02-19-2006, 03:01 #41
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Quote by roser:
I'm missing the "save passphrase" feature in 0.10. It's really annoying to type in the passphrase every time starting Psi :(
See FAQ.
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thx
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Mateusz 06-16-2006, 17:30 #43
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I cant wait official Psi release with Jingle support...
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michalj (Moderator) 06-16-2006, 17:38 #44
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Final Psi-0.11 will contain Jingle support for sure.*) Psi-0.11-beta2 should contain it too. Note that it doesn't work on Windows, yet.


*) Unless something big bad happens. Or the roadmap changes. ;)
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Quote by michalj:
Final Psi-0.11 will contain Jingle support for sure.*)
It most certainly will not i'm affraid. It was never *on* the roadmap actually, and it still isn't.
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